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So there's very little likelyhood this'll actually get seen by any of the current influx of people coming in off of Twitter, but I wonder what their initial reactions are to any of our other deliberate design differences are? Like, the only-hashtags searching, the no quoting, etc.?

stenoweb\coryw @coryw

@gaditb so I’ll be straight up, no quoting and the flat structure of threads kills me, personally. I love the weird stuff you can do with twitter threading and I think it supports multiple lines of thought better. Replying to something I quote RTd is also important to me. Searching for people is also pretty bad and for better or worse I can’t be fully here until the people from Twitter I follow are. Masto is good but also it’s trying too hard to be twitter except wen it isn’t

@gaditb this is me personally but I get fatigued just looking at twitter and I only follow ~115. I can’t easily be on both, for better or worse.

@coryw More twitter-like threading is something I feel like, at some point when mastodon gets big enough that things start getting more and more unwieldy, at some point someone's going just sit down for a week and tap out a basic version of it to have it, and then incremental improvements from there.

@coryw
Quote-RTing was a very back-and-forth discussed thing, honestly.
(FWIW, I think the current standard way of doing it is going "LB: <comment>", for "Last Boost".)

The thinking (roughly/I'm pretty sure) was that quote-RTing something forcibly links your comment with the original, while removing context -- so it gets most often used for "look at how stupid <person/opinion/etc.> is" type stuff.

@coryw Making it so that the only way you can spread stuff is by boosting it makes it so that if you spread something, it's almost definitely cause you agree with it and want it to spread -- not want to spread your or someone else's opinion on it.

@gaditb that’s not how I saw it used on twitter, but I have a smallish account there, the thing I saw used for *that* was usually a screenshot of the tweet, sometimes with a name edited out, and so to me it seems like a bad technical solution to a problem some instances are using human moderators to fix anyway, or someone could report, if it’s an abusive disagreement. Anecdotally, I just figured out what “lrt” means an actual week ago despite being on twitter for like 7 years

@coryw @gaditb I feel like I prefer flat-threading, but Twitter simultaneously rolled out their new threading just as they were getting into the business of suppressing tweets, so that could be why. Depending on which account you use on Twitter, you’ll be shown diff replies & some will be altogether hidden from you, regardless of blocking/muting.

@dhammicmarxist @gaditb It's annoying, but the way I read the situation on twitter is not that it's intentionally suppresing tweets as much as the fact that a single instance social site at that scale is an extremely impressive feat, which sometimes shows problems at the seams, and also they tend to think people following many accounts want a summary view (the "In case you missed it" sections). I've heard there's no filter if you follow 50 or fewer.

@coryw @gaditb they intentionally suppressed 48% of #DNCLeaks hashtagged tweets. They told Congress about it.

@gaditb @coryw but also the algorithm suppresses tweets from certain accounts from other accounts, regardless of muting or blocking.

@dhammicmarxist @gaditb Intersting! And it was proven not to be a database scaling issue such as back in the day when the first ultra-big accounts were forming and they posted an engineering blog about seeing @replies before an actual post in the timeline?

Any links with information about this?

@gaditb @dhammicmarxist

And, just thinking about it, there was no documentation that they did it to control potential influence from automated third parties that may have wanted to, idk, influence election results? (bots that inject themselves into every conversations matching certain words being one of twitter's bigger problems.)

@dhammicmarxist @gaditb

I think I worded my reply wrong, but at the end of the day it's their platform and everyone else I've consulted about it agrees filtering that particular content was probably the right thing to do.

It feels ironic being on mastodon and hearing from someone that they think twitter shouldn't have moderated something they did.

@coryw @dhammicmarxist (Small thing: would you mind taking me out of the @-mentions for this thread? I'll check back every so often to see how it develops, but I don't think I'm likely to want to reply to any of the specific points in real-time so I won't need the notifications.)

@coryw How did you not know about it, yet had talked to people about it?

@coryw And fundamentally, I find it weird that you're even here if you're down with censoring random people who haven't violated the rules.

@dhammicmarxist @gaditb SIMILARLY on *this* web site, if you're on a small instance or if you're having a lot of cross-instance chatter, (important) parts of threads are extremely likely to get lost such as in toot-lab.reclaim.technology/@d , something a liiiiittle less likely once you find a thread on Twitter, it usually shows you all of the posts in it.