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@doof, yo (I mean, or not, at your preference)

@vfrmedia @calvin I would argue that any small atom-based laptop from the past few years is "basically a netbook, even if not in name." There are usually a few on sale at Walmart/Target or Best Buy. Things like the Lenovo 100 and some of the lower Inspiron 3000 series, especially in the ever popular 2/32 config.

Heck, I'd say that the Surface 3 toes the line in the same way the original RT did.

@calvin To add, I'm not sure that DMing a thought thread makes any more sense than just putting it on IRC, but IDK.

@calvin well, I think I have off-server followers who don't care about the kind of things I'd like to workshop, although this is basically just fodder for "write your blog in onenote."

local-only toots? good for hashtag-workshopping some srsbsns ideas? for [music notes] just the six of us to see.

@calvin @vfrmedia I work in IT/tech in higher ed in the US, as a sidenote.

One of the other things that improved a *lot* that means most students aren't running out buying expensive hardware is remote access to applications. My school provided a 24/7 computer lab up to this last year (TBH I'm still angry we don't have one any more) probably under the justification that anyone can get a netbook and use VPN+RDP to get the apps they need, which while technically true is sort of not the point.

@vfrmedia @calvin I missed this.
Yes, by that era, most people were just buying cheap laptops. The "gamer with a $5000 quad and SLI in 2007" was a very uncommon thing.

Office 2007 was available (US) to students for $70 in a program known as "Ultimate Steal" but some colleges sold it locally under their agreements w/ MS for like $10, even before that. Today, there are similarly big edu discounts, but you can also buy Office "Home & Student" cheap, without any proof.

@calvin @vfrmedia OK this is an extreme tangent, I'll stop after this I promise, but thinking about this, I'm surprised NeXT didn't put ISDN in. Perhaps Jobs saw through the Bell's claims that ISDN would be in any day and didn't want to waste the money on it.

@vfrmedia @calvin Idly, most UNIX workstations from the era can be configured stand-alone, but this is a use for the ISDN modems in many '90s workstations I had not considered: dialing "home" to do things like update your homedir and receive management directives from the network. I don't know if any were used that way or if it was just a fancy checkbox feature that didn't cost a lot to include but was important because of ~multimedia~. (DEC systems with ISDN use it for their sound I/o IIRC)

@calvin @vfrmedia So, the SGI Octane I had was actually pretty swole for 1997, but there's not an awful lot of practical work I was able to do on it. Calvin and I's friend @tsundoku spent a few years making IRIX his primary environment, mostly by porting OSS stuff to it. Although the OSS got EOLed in IIRC 2013 so he's since switched to solaris and FreeBSD.

@vfrmedia @calvin That's close to when I got my Indy, I was able to get someone to send me the CDs for it and eventually upgraded to an Octane, but the thing you start to notice as you get more powerful SGIs is that as the '90s wore on, interest in making anything "regular" for them dropped, probably because it had become affordable for companies to give anyone who needed a workstation a regular business PC or Mac as well. (Sun's solution to this was a PC on a PCI card you could install.)

@vfrmedia @calvin To add to the affordability thing, I don't know what student lending was like in the '90s, but I know in the '00s (I was a student 06-12) it would have been pretty easy to get your hands on financing to buy $5-10,000 worth of computer. I had been trying to justify a Mac Pro, I knew plenty of people who did have around that much hardware, whether for a particular need for for gaming.

@calvin @vfrmedia Sorry, I hope all these replies make any sense. To talk to the $5000 (US) price point, it was more common later on, here's a good article that talks about the experience of one of those baseline configs in 1998

SGI had a $5000 O2 config meant for web authoring in 1996-1997, and I'm sure there was a $5000 Indy but it was meant as a diskless netboot station, booting off an origin and being front-end to an Origin.

@calvin @vfrmedia I need to get out that CD actually, Gill Sans was SGI's choice for headings on papers media at the time, if I remember correctly. The idea of this CD in part was that your dealership (you might specialize in selling particular solutions) would elucidate the Octane/O2's suitability for those solutions on that sheet, which is why they sent you blank datasheets to fill in. I'll have to get them out and make some.

@vfrmedia @calvin RE UNIX in that company, workstations were often sold as accompaniments and dev/test systems for big servers, and Sun was trying Very Hardâ„¢ to get into the enterprise "money counting machines" market, and a big advantage they cited was giving devs/admins the same hardware the servers were on. Not strictly necessary with SSH, but still nice, especially before virtualization on non-IBM stuff was common.

hyper-v and server maintenance successful. Backup, worked. hopeuflly it'll keep going!

I really want reposts with quoting. I was repeatedly told it's on that list of useful things we can't have because abuse (without any data to support the argument, but whatever), but like... come on. LRT/LBT is a really bad antipattern. In fact, I was on twitter for, dunno, years, *before* I accidentally learned wtf that shorthand even means. I don't think you can try to appeal to large audience while simultaneously torpedoing your entire UX.