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@calvin @vfrmedia OK this is an extreme tangent, I'll stop after this I promise, but thinking about this, I'm surprised NeXT didn't put ISDN in. Perhaps Jobs saw through the Bell's claims that ISDN would be in any day and didn't want to waste the money on it.

@vfrmedia @calvin Idly, most UNIX workstations from the era can be configured stand-alone, but this is a use for the ISDN modems in many '90s workstations I had not considered: dialing "home" to do things like update your homedir and receive management directives from the network. I don't know if any were used that way or if it was just a fancy checkbox feature that didn't cost a lot to include but was important because of ~multimedia~. (DEC systems with ISDN use it for their sound I/o IIRC)

@calvin @vfrmedia So, the SGI Octane I had was actually pretty swole for 1997, but there's not an awful lot of practical work I was able to do on it. Calvin and I's friend @tsundoku spent a few years making IRIX his primary environment, mostly by porting OSS stuff to it. Although the OSS got EOLed in IIRC 2013 so he's since switched to solaris and FreeBSD.

@vfrmedia @calvin That's close to when I got my Indy, I was able to get someone to send me the CDs for it and eventually upgraded to an Octane, but the thing you start to notice as you get more powerful SGIs is that as the '90s wore on, interest in making anything "regular" for them dropped, probably because it had become affordable for companies to give anyone who needed a workstation a regular business PC or Mac as well. (Sun's solution to this was a PC on a PCI card you could install.)

@vfrmedia @calvin To add to the affordability thing, I don't know what student lending was like in the '90s, but I know in the '00s (I was a student 06-12) it would have been pretty easy to get your hands on financing to buy $5-10,000 worth of computer. I had been trying to justify a Mac Pro, I knew plenty of people who did have around that much hardware, whether for a particular need for for gaming.

@calvin @vfrmedia Sorry, I hope all these replies make any sense. To talk to the $5000 (US) price point, it was more common later on, here's a good article that talks about the experience of one of those baseline configs in 1998 osnews.com/story/5743/My_Sun_U

SGI had a $5000 O2 config meant for web authoring in 1996-1997, and I'm sure there was a $5000 Indy but it was meant as a diskless netboot station, booting off an origin and being front-end to an Origin.

@calvin @vfrmedia I need to get out that CD actually, Gill Sans was SGI's choice for headings on papers media at the time, if I remember correctly. The idea of this CD in part was that your dealership (you might specialize in selling particular solutions) would elucidate the Octane/O2's suitability for those solutions on that sheet, which is why they sent you blank datasheets to fill in. I'll have to get them out and make some.

@vfrmedia @calvin RE UNIX in that company, workstations were often sold as accompaniments and dev/test systems for big servers, and Sun was trying Very Hard™ to get into the enterprise "money counting machines" market, and a big advantage they cited was giving devs/admins the same hardware the servers were on. Not strictly necessary with SSH, but still nice, especially before virtualization on non-IBM stuff was common.

hyper-v and server maintenance successful. Backup, worked. hopeuflly it'll keep going!

I really want reposts with quoting. I was repeatedly told it's on that list of useful things we can't have because abuse (without any data to support the argument, but whatever), but like... come on. LRT/LBT is a really bad antipattern. In fact, I was on twitter for, dunno, years, *before* I accidentally learned wtf that shorthand even means. I don't think you can try to appeal to large audience while simultaneously torpedoing your entire UX.

@calvin cool, thank you! I don't think we'll lose the VM or anything, but I want as few things to be on as possible during the next attempt at a machine backup.

well, I was thinking, shutdown first, but what might be a good strategy is to pull down your content backup on Tuesday, ideally before ~5 GMT-7. I know my roommate will be gone that night and I'll probably go directly home and start shutting down VMs.

Turning crovansgate back on for you and landon now.

@calvin I have crovansgate off, but I was thinking, we can just gracefully shut down the Linux VMs (the ones I can't fix myself) before attempting the backups. I can turn crovansgate back on for that.

@calvin ugh. I was gonna post about taking this VM down this coming week, so I can run patches on TECT and then try to run a backup, ideally during a time of low IOPS (only tect running) to see if I can get things normal again.

@calvin Actually, let's also not forget that SharePoint itself has a social feed, and can run on a distributed farm of machines.

@calvin I'll take "What is Yammer" for 300.

I am going to sign off, and later I will discuss with calvin whether or not to delete this node. At this point, there's nothing here I can't get from twitter, which is much easier to use, and the trouble and resources involved in running an instance make everything that much harder to use, making me question whether or not federated independent-server microblogging is even a good idea. Not to mention that everything broken was "designed that way," which is not a helpful answer.

@dhammicmarxist @gaditb

I think I worded my reply wrong, but at the end of the day it's their platform and everyone else I've consulted about it agrees filtering that particular content was probably the right thing to do.

It feels ironic being on mastodon and hearing from someone that they think twitter shouldn't have moderated something they did.